http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing Imaginitive Game Development en-US Mon, 04 Jan 2021 02:59:15 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/search.php http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2873 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:42:59 +0000 mechingas 2873@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>o, sorry i didnt read them is cause there were a LOT of VERY large comments </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2871 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:29:47 +0000 spookspoon 2871@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>oh please didnt you read the forum? we have a religion because if we didnt, then we would just be doubting everything in the universe. and as for an answer to your question...</p> <p>When life was created in this world, the first things to live where those weird fish that died all of a sudden. well after the dinosaurs and all that, an intelligent being somehow evolved. After many years of evolution, They came to be what are now Humans.</p> <p>The first intelligent humans are those dudes that made tribes and all that.</p> <p>and, Eva and Adam weren't living on the earth. They were living on god's paradise. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2864 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 19:01:37 +0000 mechingas 2864@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>a GOOD question will be.</p> <p>who is right scientifics, history, or the bible?</p> <p>i mean look if you ever read the bible or at least go to church they telll you that the 1st humans in the world where eva and adan but scientifics said that at the beggining we where monkeys but history said that there where 1st pobladors and all that.</p> <p>well you can said: after adan there where all that show of the historic theory<br /> but how can you explain the monkey theory and also after adan and eva get babys they werent the 1st pobladors, there where called cain and abel and after that it was born abraham and moises until we get to now present.</p> <p>WHO CAN SOLVE MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!</p> <p>dare you!!!!!!!! </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2855 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 00:41:29 +0000 spookspoon 2855@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Hey so have you ever wandered why does this planet has many iron, since this should be just a normal earth planet? well actually the iron on our planet came from a massive star not too far from our star. iron is created when a massive star is near the end of its lifespan. The helium molecules start to run into each other, creating iron, which is dangerous to massive stars. I dont remember much but somehow the star explodes in a super nova. the iron molecules are lunched very far away from the star. those molecules where lunched enough to get to our planet.</p> <p>Now after a super nova, a neutron star is a very small yet wierd type of star, that has its particles packed up so tightly, that it would be like crushing the empire state building into a grain of sand. this star rolls very quickly, and gives hot light of its north and south poles.</p> <p>And lastly, a dark hole when a star that is 100 times bigger than our sun, explodes in a HYPER NOVA! A dark hole has its particles packed up so tight, that there is no space left between each one, that results in LOTS and LOTS of gravity. It has so much gravity, that not even the light can escape this giant ball. Actually all the galaxies have a dark hole in the center. But if a dark hole is constantly adding stuff to itself, then why doesnt it get bigger? well, when a dark hole eats too much, it makes a giant blast of energy from its south and north poles, since matter can transform into energy.</p> <p>Well, that is some of the stuff that I know. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2117 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:27:15 +0000 JayZiebarth 2117@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Are we talking about Stephen Hawking? Isn't Hawkins the guy from the series "Carnivale". </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2116 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:08:32 +0000 Darkroot 2116@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Hawkins argues that all you need is gravity. Though if there is a multiverse then the likelihood that a universe with the correct constants for life to exists is high. Especially if you move more than two, then you create a high range of possibilities of life to exist. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2115 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:28:07 +0000 SteveCastro 2115@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Personally, I don't believe that quantum mechanics has given us enough to justify that spontaneous creation occurs. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2113 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:25:38 +0000 electrokaratedoc 2113@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Richard Dawkins wrote "The God Delusion." </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2110 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:24:13 +0000 henoros 2110@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Indeed you are correct, made a typo. Hawkins, the book is The God Delusion. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2107 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 12:19:54 +0000 Darkroot 2107@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Don't you mean Hawkins? Dawkins writes about evolutionary biology. I believe the book is called "The Grand Design" I have it but I haven't read it entirely yet. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing/page/2#post-2105 Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:06:12 +0000 henoros 2105@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Didn't Dawkins write a book about how the generation of the universe could have occurred spontaneously without any design according to quantum relativistic physics recently? </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1856 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:32:17 +0000 electrokaratedoc 1856@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>MMMMM.... Nyx fried rice. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1853 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:17:54 +0000 SteveCastro 1853@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>I did. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1852 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:19:42 +0000 spookspoon 1852@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>yes but what caused the bird to live? </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1851 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:26:35 +0000 charmscale 1851@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love. </p> <p>Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son. </p> <p>Once the child, Zeus, had reached manhood his mother instructed him on how to trick his father to give up his brothers and sisters. Once this was accomplished the children fought a mighty war against their father. After much fighting the younger generation won. With Zeus as their leader, they began to furnish Gaia with life and Uranus with stars. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1838 Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:25:00 +0000 Darkroot 1838@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>@Spookspon it's mostly empty in a galaxy and mostly everything will go past each other. The the two black holes in the center of our galaxy will merge. Right now all the galaxy's are getting farther away from each other and supposedly the universe it getting larger, faster then the speed of light. There might be 11 dimensions constraint to two "membranes" that cause the big big every time they intersect. These membranes would be multidimensional. They're might be more membranes with universe will their own laws of physics or our dimensions might have different laws. There is no answer there will never be. Only more questions. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1836 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:30:23 +0000 spookspoon 1836@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>well anyway I dont think our human brain can comprehend the vast beauty of space. maybe when we evolve into an even smarter type of human beings we will undarstand :P </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1835 Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:00:32 +0000 spookspoon 1835@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>here is what I think. There isnt a beggening nor an end its just a cycle because if it did had a start then what caused the start? Ill give you an example. Everything has a magnetic attraction depending on how big it is, and in space there is like one billion million trillion jillion galaxies (or maybe infinite) on the whole universe. Every galaxy goes through something I like to call Giant clash. It consists on a galaxy that has a close neighbor (like our galaxy and andromeda) They slowly pull each together and eventually clash. during that clash almost all the planets and stars the galaxies had crash and are destroyed. turning to the original form of all the planets, DUST after many years the dust pulls itself together forming new planets and new galaxies. Eventually they clash again. See where this is going? and who knows? for all that we THINK we consider ourselves normal size while we consider all the planets and galaxies way bigger than us. But maybe we are so small that the planets accually may BE dust. </p> <p>This is just my theory.</p> <p>Wow first post were I dont joke.</p> <p>Opps I already did. :P </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1829 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:14:24 +0000 xXincognitoXx 1829@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Hi </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1821 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:22:07 +0000 Darkroot 1821@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Our universe == <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membrane_%28M-Theory%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membrane_%28M-Theory%29</a> </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1819 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:20:52 +0000 jackbruton1998 1819@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>hey steve how long is either of the games gonna be know????? </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1818 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:22:55 +0000 SteveCastro 1818@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Ya, even if the universe "ends" in collapse and never expands again, it might be lights out for life as we know it, but stuff would still exist albeit in a highly condensed state. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1817 Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:41:11 +0000 Zyntark 1817@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>Some scientists believe that the universe will end with everything being sucked and crashed into each other. Maybe this has already happened and was what we call the Big Bang: A previous universe collapsing and imploding, thereby creating a new universe. If that is correct, then it could explain how "something" come to existence. Still, it leads us back to universes ending beginning and ending infinitely. Like Steve said, something must have existed infinitely. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1813 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:04:15 +0000 darkbluemullet 1813@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>"Similarly, the question of "why is there something" does not correctly apply to somethingness, because there was never not something."</p> <p> Spot on! I think you nailed it there. Even if we wrong in saying that, it could never be proved otherwise, but the probability that there was always "something" is most likely true and the most understandable. </p> <p> This forum gets heavy sometimes... I love it...P.S. WHERE'S MY F%C*I&amp;G GAME?? &gt;:( </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1812 Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:46:13 +0000 SteveCastro 1812@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>For me, the correct answer is "not applicable". I'll try to explain.</p> <p>To say that God created the universe doesn't answer the question, because God is something. That's like saying "I created this sandwich" as an answer to the question. All of it is somethingness and I want to know why there is anything, regardless of its properties or form, natural or supernatural.</p> <p>To say something comes from nothing, means that the nothingness had the potential to give rise to something. If it did not have the potential for somethingness to come out of it, then there would have always just been nothingness forever and ever, amen. However, potential, regardless of the form it takes, is something. Therefore, it seems very clear to me that something cannot come from nothing. Perhaps matter and energy can arise from darkness, but I would not call the darkness nothingness, because there was something there with potential to give rise to something.</p> <p>Therefore, I've concluded that there must always have been something. Some might suggest there was nothing before the big bang, but I do not agree. The big bang might have annihilated any evidence of what could have come before, but the lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack. We basically have no argument on whether or not there was anything before the big bang, except the one I made above which pushes me to think there was always something.</p> <p>This means that every effect has its cause, going back infinitely with no beginning point. Finite time segments are something only fragile life forms require to make sense of things. The universe doesn't require anything to have a beginning or an end. I don't see any reason to believe that there even could have been a beginning to existence itself. As long as things run their course the way they do currently, time and existence is already infinite in the forward direction, so why couldn't it be infinite in both directions? It may not seem intuitive, but neither does something coming from nothing so intuition doesn't really tell us a whole lot about this sort of thing.</p> <p>If this is true, then the question "why is there something" has no application. When there is a transition from a proposition changing it's boolean truth value (maybe "sandwich exists" going from false to true), then we have the right to ask why it is true. In essence, we are really inquiring about why or how the event occurred at the moment it began to exist. We are asking what caused the transitional phase from sandwich not existing to it existing, or how that transitional phase can be broken down into a smaller sequence of events. When I say "because I made it", I'm explaining the origination process of the sandwich's state of existence. However, if sandwich (or somethingness, as the case may be) has always existed, then to ask "Why is there something?" is really asking "What caused the somethingness to transition into existence from nothingness?" However, if such an event never took place, then the question doesn't really apply. </p> <p>So IMO the correct answer to the question is "not applicable". This might sound evasive, but I don't think it is. It's like if you ask me, "Steve, why are you a woman?", what should the correct answer be? "Umm, I'm not." The answer is not applicable because the question does not correctly apply to me. Similarly, the question of "why is there something" does not correctly apply to somethingness, because there was never not something.</p> <p>I mentioned that every effect has a cause, so why doesn't somethingness have a cause? Because somethingness is not an effect (ie an event), but a brute fact of reality that is and always has been true. It is not the result of anything, but just the way it is. </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1811 Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:25:16 +0000 darkbluemullet 1811@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>@Earl, you coe across as a modern day Descartes sometimes :P </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1810 Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:00:52 +0000 tman140 1810@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>ummm im mostly confused buttttt... i like most of what ethan put, we all have our diffrent views somthing i see as cold earl sees as lacking heat therefore i can say cold is a thing while earl can say its not. </p> <p>what did i just say?<br /> (I loves me my random arguments...) </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1802 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:39:49 +0000 Earl 1802@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>You can probably guess this, but I'm a fan of Descartes. :) </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1801 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:54:35 +0000 SteveCastro 1801@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>@ethanrule, it sounds like you're talking about an extreme form of relativism, that everything is completely relative to the individual. It's related in the sense that it's philosophical. :)</p> <p>As far as the big bang, are you talking about something comes from nothing (there's lots of interpretations of what it means)? You're saying it's 1 in a near infinity chance that it could happen, so you're basically saying it's highly improbable but still possible. I agree with you about the idea that if something is even remotely possible, no matter how improbable, that it could still happen due to that tiny possibility. But, how do we know it really is possible at all for something to come from nothing? Maybe the probability is actually 0.</p> <p>@Earl, looks like you pretty much went where I was going. :) It does amaze me that people accept that you can't create something from nothing currently, but that someone this was possible a long time ago. (QM does suggest that something can come from nothing, but I don't agree with that particular interpretation. :D)</p> <p>I agree that life is so full of uncertainty. Every rational argument relies at its core on unsupported beliefs (axioms). It's humbling to acknowledge this, but still important to question which things we should accept as axiomatic and which should be tossed out.</p> <p>@darkbluemullet, nothingness doesn't exist. It is non-existance (or better put, no thing existing). It doesn't require anyone to observe that no thing exists in order for it to be true that no thing exists. Actually, it requires that no observer exists. Obviously without an observer there wouldn't be anyone to have knowledge of whether or not there is anything existing, but we existing creatures can still ponder the state of no thing existing.</p> <p>As far as that creation of the earth bit, did you just roll that off the topic of your head? ;) </p> http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/topic/why-is-there-something-rather-than-nothing#post-1799 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:00:23 +0000 Darkroot 1799@http://www.clickshakegames.com/forum/ <p>I think people are confused by the complexity and depth with the original question. I will try to make it more clear. If we work on the fact that "nothing" is just the opposite of something, and not some un-understandable label for true "nothingness". The the question is why are there (M-theory) membranes. Which are really just energy. So there "real" question why there is energy? </p>